NO MORE NERFED BUTTONS PLEASE

[mesfenlir]

That addon was one of the worst things that happened to our game.

Please dont allow this cheat in our new adventure.

[Angelos_Sanguinum]

I agree, but we don't know if any addons are working with this new server.

[Specialpatrol]

That addon was one of the worst things that happened to our game.

Please dont allow this cheat in our new adventure.

Please stop these unbiased rants.

First off, NB isn't a cheat. Never has been. If it was, it wouldn't have been allowed to exist in the game. The developer of NB even contacted Mythic about it, as far as I recall, to avoid any features that might be against their rules. It's mostly called a cheat by people, who can't understand why they died in rvr - and therefore blames it on some add-on.

Secondly, NB is a very handy add-on, since it allows you to consolidate keys. So the Slayer or Choppa can, for example, tie a rage-dropping ability and their detaunt to the same key. So instead of pressing button 1 and button 2, the player can now press button 1 two times - and thus free up button 2 to another important ability. You might frown upon this, or call NB users one-button spammers - but it's not cheating.

And yes, NB allows you to set certain parameters for your abilities - i.e. only use a Hex ability, if target isn't already Hexed etc. But again, it's not cheating. It's not exploiting game mechanics in any way. It simply gives you the option to make you more effective on the battlefield.

To clarify: NB doesn't ignore global cool downs. NB doesn't allow you to do things, that you can't do without it. And NB doesn't allow you to fire off a whole string of abilities with just one push of a button. You still have to press the exact same number of times on your keyboard or mouse, as a player not using NB. If you ever tried using NB, you'd realize this.

The people you think are cheating by using NB, are most likely players who use 3rd party programs, that allow them to ignore gcd's (global cooldowns) and/or automates their key pressing (i.e. constantly spamming certain designated keys) - thus making it possible for them to load up lots of dots and whatnot on you very fast. Now, NB might possibly be used to set up a string to fire off in this regard - but if so, it's not NB that's the culprit, it's the illegal 3rd party program that allows them to avoid gcd's (and/or automates their key pressing).

If that's your reason to ban NB, then you're barking up the wrong tree. And it would also mean you should ban stuff like macros - since used together with an illegal program a simple macro can also quite easily become a cheat.

[mesfenlir]

Yes yes yes...

maybe technically is not cheating but its an addon that can break the balance in a rvr-pvp game like this one.

For me is cheating and dont care if legally its not. Why so? It gives an unfair advantage over normal players and that in my book is the concept of cheating. Other addons are created to make life more easy, not to beat another players.

NO MMO with pvp will allow that addon. Wow, rift, gw2 , conan, aion etc.... Name me one please.

If Mythic allowed its another proof of its incompetence running this game.

We can debate ad nauseam about the concept but no, I pass.

Like me 90% or more war players despise that addon and only bad players (yes, BAD players) or cheaters use it.

When I see someone defending it, it is always very suspicious.

[omegamma]

Yes yes yes...

maybe technically is not cheating but its an addon that can break the balance in a rvr-pvp game like this one.

For me is cheating and dont care if legally its not. Why so? It gives an unfair advantage over normal players and that in my book is the concept of cheating. Other addons are created to make life more easy, not to beat another players.

NO MMO with pvp will allow that addon. Wow, rift, gw2 , conan, aion etc.... Name me one please.

If Mythic allowed its another proof of its incompetence running this game.

We can debate ad nauseam about the concept but no, I pass.

Like me 90% or more war players despise that addon and only bad players (yes, BAD players) or cheaters use it.

When I see someone defending it, it is always very suspicious.

I Agree

There is no official cheat
but I find it as an unfair tool against players who can not program or want. That's one of the things that make the game broken and it should not be at the re-opening with it to the game to destroy again

[Chaoself]

you clearly didnt played wow,rift,aion,gw2... they have a macro system to use skills in order (yes,like nerfed buttons) or aion, a combo system (1 keybind with some combo skills). nerfedbuttons isnt too bad, it makes some things easier and some other harder (like using skills when no needed dued a macroed rotation). to be honest, enemy/buffhead are much more important than NB.

[ZaxNyu]

NO MMO with pvp will allow that addon. Wow, rift, gw2 , conan, aion etc.... Name me one please.

Actually, there is an AddOn in Rift that is kind of like NB, called KaruulAlert. It's not able to put mutliple skills with preset conditions on one button, but it can show you any kind of "alert", be it Debuffs, CCs, Timers, group status etc. You still have to know the ability icon the AddOn shows you wherever you want it and press the right button, but correctly configured it gives a big advantage over other players, be it PvP or PvE (configuring boss mechanics / buffs, debuffs to show up like a warning), especially if combined with the ingame already quite strong Macro system.

/Offtopic off

[Telen]

Those that need NB.

1 Get a Naga
2 L2P

[Specialpatrol]

Yes yes yes...

maybe technically is not cheating but its an addon that can break the balance in a rvr-pvp game like this one.

For me is cheating and dont care if legally its not. Why so? It gives an unfair advantage over normal players and that in my book is the concept of cheating. Other addons are created to make life more easy, not to beat another players.

NO MMO with pvp will allow that addon. Wow, rift, gw2 , conan, aion etc.... Name me one please.

If Mythic allowed its another proof of its incompetence running this game.

We can debate ad nauseam about the concept but no, I pass.

Like me 90% or more war players despise that addon and only bad players (yes, BAD players) or cheaters use it.

When I see someone defending it, it is always very suspicious.

Okay. You clearly died in rvr and are pissed off about it. You also, apparently, have no real clue what it exactly it is, that you're complaining about - except the standard rant about NB-users are haxxors, baddies and cheaters. But I'll play ball, just to hear your arguments.

First off, answer this: how does NB give you an unfair advantage over a "regular" player, exactly? I repeat, there is nothing at all in that add-on, that you can't do, if you don't have it. I know, because I actually played both with and without NB. The only thing NB does for me, is to make "life more easy", as you say.

Furthermore, doesn't using Enemy - with it's Guard range counter, assisted target calling and whatnot - also give you an unfair advantage over a "regular" player? And what about using Buffhead? Isn't it a clear advantage to easily see what dots and hots yo either place on people, or that others place on you? (remember, Buffhead is also set up using parameters - i.e. only showing things of a certain type or that can be cleansed by a specific healer, etc). Where exactly do you draw the line between what add-ons give or don't give an unfair advantage against a "regular" player? Does it per chance go somewhere in the vicinity of what add-ons you yourself find useful?

And where's the poll showing that 90% or more of WAR players despise that add-on? Can you link that - or did you just grab that number out of the air, to give the pretense that you represent the majority of WAR players?

But seeing as I'm not only a BAD player and a cheater to you, but also someone that makes you very suspicious, let me refer you this thread - maybe you find some of the arguments there more trustworthy:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/nerfedbuttons/4yTjTebj1Lw

Basically, you should really just try it out, before you flame against it. It's free for everyone to get. Then you'd realize that it isn't the "I-win" button, that you apparently think it is. And who knows, you might actually find that it makes your life more easy...

[Telen]

you clearly didnt played wow,rift,aion,gw2... they have a macro system to use skills in order (yes,like nerfed buttons) or aion, a combo system (1 keybind with some combo skills). nerfedbuttons isnt too bad, it makes some things easier and some other harder (like using skills when no needed dued a macroed rotation). to be honest, enemy/buffhead are much more important than NB.

NB isnt a sequencer. It uses conditionals. Thats the issue and always was.

The WAR devs and the NB devs were even in communication to try and clear things up. When EA gutted Mythic they didnt enough people to keep addon developers from making addons that went too far into automation.

Before that though they were working in a NB version with alot of the conditionals removed as mythic were going to change the api if they didnt. So yes it was going to be against the rules until EA/mythic just gave up on WAR.